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You kind of allude to this, I would say it's a synthesis of the section on extremism and bad ideas. Namely, because not much gets done, it incentivizes extremists to come up with unfalsifiable theories (dare I say mythologies). So, regardless of what one may think about the squad, I don't think the squad happens if moderate dem policy goes through when they have a simple majority. Same with freedom caucus types who want to abolish government departments. It allows these folks to run on these items, do nothing of substance about them, festering myths about what's wrong about parties and government.

I'm actually less inclined to think people would repeal moderate-coded extremism (median republican policy), but I think we need to indulge radicals from time to time, just to create norms within parties to disavow the nonsense. IMO that's the big difference between the US system and parliamentary ones. We let our politicians say and encourage the dumbest shit and there's no punishment as party insiders usually don't have to take them seriously.

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I really like the principle that it's good to try bad ideas. I agree with you that sometimes we just need to try things to see if they work. However, I disagree with the majority of your argument here. The filibuster has been around a very long time, but it was only recently that it prevented bipartisan compromises. Back when representatives could safely cross party lines, getting to 60 votes wasn't such a big deal. It's a big deal today because each party (but especially Republicans) use a combination of establishment coercion and media shaming to keep their moderates from crossing party lines. There are 34 Freedom Caucus members in the House, while there are 215 Democrats. You seriously think it's easier to get 98% of those right-wing Republicans than 15% of all Democrats? It's only in the last few decades that the filibuster became a serious issue precisely because it shouldn't be hard to get people from the other party to buy in if everyone is sincerely trying to find solutions. If they aren't being sincere, then I don't see why letting them pass more party-line bills like this one would be beneficial.

In a broader sense, I think that legislation that has a serious impact on society SHOULD require a high level of buy-in from representatives of the public. If only 51% of the country agrees with a certain course of action, why would we let them implement any significant changes? Considering how often control of Congress has shifted in the last 10 years, I don't think we can say there are a large number of things that "the people" agree on about how our nation should be run. In such a situation, letting things keep running on autopilot is the best solution until a larger consensus emerges. Politics should be the slow boring of hard boards, not moving fast and breaking things.

It is certainly a problem that we can't get Congress to do their most basic job without gimmicks, but I'm not yet convinced that the answer is to make it easier for them to pass party-line bills. It's hard to know if this is a temporary state of affairs that will recede after Trump is gone, or if our modern distributed media combined with popular vote control of primaries and gerrymandering creates and enforces this to be the new normal. If it's the latter, perhaps we do need to simply make it easier to pass bills, but I still think the better solution (if possible) would be to fix whatever stops us from achieving the bipartisan consensus we were able to achieve for over a hundred years since the end of the Civil War.

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